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pink monster · Jun 19, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Some of you are drowning in semantics over if RPGS like GW should be solely fighting-based, or should include the social aspect... but my two main problems with this are 1. why the hell do you care when its their lives? and 2. you are forgetting these are still real people, so there is always a social aspect. Are you telling me you have no one on your friends list? That you never used emotes in town when you were bored, or anything like that? ran around in circles to make somebody laugh? We're all human, and these characters still represent us in-game.

And if there's no point in RP in a game like GW why do people pay millions for fow armor? or pay 100k+xx ecto for urgoz's longbow when it's the same as a cheap modded longbow? Because it's still a status symbol in the SOCIAL world of guild wars.

and if you're honestly trying to fight the social part of this game, I suggest you go sit in Grotto for awhile and just watch and learn.

and btw I wanna come!

Markaedw · Jun 19, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Weddings would be sweet, what we need though is a bouquet and a ring glove armor.

Congrats on the pending nuptials,

Kiss emote: I think that if the female does /sigh and the male does /rock if the timing is right they kiss. But I have never tried this so I can't verify it.

Side note:

To /kiss though it would need to be complicated so that any idiot can't go around and do it, I vote for /kiss char 1, char 2 * and the other person need to type it exactly the same way. char 1 possition inicaites kiss, char 2 possition gets kissed and sync. People that really want to kiss will go through the little hassle and those that don't, wont have to. A hug can be done the same way.

Here is another good one, if some one tries to initiate a kiss, the kissed person can /slap, this causes said slapped person to loose all of their health and would require them to leave the district to recover there health. But only if a kiss or hug is attempted.

Or the kiss/hug could be handled like the trade window with the reject being automatic /slap.

Does-it-Matter · Jun 19, 2006, 06:15 PM // 18:15

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Originally Posted by erick5876

A dungeon crawl is an RPG, chief. Look at your deffinition of RPG.

Agreed, and that's why I make SEVERAL references to Dungeon Crawl RPGs, thanks for reading though.

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Some of you are drowning in semantics over if RPGS like GW should be solely fighting-based, or should include the social aspect... but my two main problems with this are "..."

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1. why the hell do you care when its their lives?

As I've said, what they do, and what I don't have to hear about, or be affected by, I could care less. I just want to see Dungeon Crawl RPG-styled updates (or better yet, critical ones), before essentially "off-topic" updates.

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and 2. you are forgetting these are still real people, so there is always a social aspect. Are you telling me you have no one on your friends list? That you never used emotes in town when you were bored, or anything like that? ran around in circles to make somebody laugh? We're all human, and these characters still represent us in-game.

There is a very large difference between what you defined and what Social RPGs are. What you are defining is best described as "having fun" or "goofying around." There is never anything wrong with that, but I just want to be clear that that is not what Social RPGs are.

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And if there's no point in RP in a game like GW why do people pay millions for fow armor? or pay 100k+xx ecto for urgoz's longbow when it's the same as a cheap modded longbow? Because it's still a status symbol in the SOCIAL world of guild wars.

Why do people pay more money for "better" looking things, regardless of what they are? Human nature.

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and if you're honestly trying to fight the social part of this game, I suggest you go sit in Grotto for awhile and just watch and learn.

I think I realize where your confusion is.

You are talking about Socializing, I'm talking about Social RPGs.

Socializing is what we do when we are around other people. We talk, laugh, joke, cry, goof off, argue, etc. It's a basic tenent of being human.

Socializing also subtley (or sometimes not so subtley) incorporates elements of a heirarchal nature as well. Here is where your status symbols come into play. As humans, we are so quick to define everything, including how we rate amongst are peers.

Any time there is more than one person ANYWHERE you will see elements of the above two paragraphs. It's simple human nature.

What I'm talking about when I say Social RPGs though, is not the same as Socializing.

A Social RPG (referencing: Vampire: The Masqurade, Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Mage: The Ascenscion, etc.) involves creating a character, defining it and how it exists within its enviroment. And then playing the character through said enviroment where it (the character, not you) will meet a variety of challenges most basically defined into three catagories (Physical, Mental, Social).

Guild Wars only has the Physical component. Any "dialouge" you engage in with NPCs is either scripted or presented in the form of few options of already scripted texts.

The reason that Social and Mental challenges don't apply here even though people say "Well, trading could be a social challenge and skill sets could be a mental challenge" is that its YOU being challenged, not the character.

In a social RPG, your character could be smarter than you, dumber than you, a better socializer than you, or worse. That's not represented here, you are playing yourself, with the GW character as your medium.

Unless you've done the following...

...Entered a trade and thought to yourself, "Well, I know its a horrible trade, but my Whammo isn't that charasmatic, so with his 'great' trading skills he'd probably go for something like that... Sure, I'll trade 50 ecto for 5 gold! That's enough for me to get him an apple!"

...Looked at your avalible skils and thought to yourself, "Well, my Necro really isn't that smart, so I'll give her this horrible build, when I could easily of used this much better one instead..."

... or conversly, "My Mesmer's a real Einstein, I'm going to have her have this AWESOME build that's even better than something I can come up with/find..."

That is similar to what you'll find in a Social RPG. Decisions that YOU may not make, but your character would, because you and your character are seperate entities.

In Guild Wars, unless you are engaging in Role-Play (social), you essentially are your character.

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I hope that clears up that bit of confusion.

gabrial heart · Jun 19, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

/signed

Just to be clear here. the arguement of realism and rpg challenges is very valid, in that if GW doesn't evolve it will die. As WOW started out as a hack/slash dungeon crawl and over time has evolved socially, i think it's of vital importance that any game with longevity evolve.

This isn't anything new, from pre-historic man to current social constructs, "the world" has been an evolution of survival (hack and slash FTW) to alternative means of the wining situation (i.e. wife, family, kids, money, homes, cars, clothing...). As inventive as guildwars is, it's not outside the NEED to meet the demands of a socially constructed evolution.

Enjoy your nuptuals, I'm sure they will remain strong and healthy with or without a GW kiss emote!

Jondalar Crumbl3 · Jun 19, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by Fiery

Some people just need to find love

This wasn't a part of the plan when I started out playing Gw.
Hacking and slashing was.
Anywho... we're still doing the hacking and slashing thing like any other PvE player.
Just with a little romance now and then.

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Originally Posted by Ellador Nae

It's a game and while people are having fun playing it (and not offending others)

We do not stop in the middle of a quest to have a romantic moment

Nor do we say our kind words in local ^^
Don't worry, we do not annoy other players with our business.

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Originally Posted by Ellador Nae

No-one asked for a house with a fence

With a nice backyard, and a view of the ocean please, maybe a little private beach to finish it.
Just kidding ^^

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Originally Posted by erick5876

I can't believe that people are getting angry over this...

Can't seem to find the problem either.
If I'd have to choose something, it would be: "looking for an excuse to flame"

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Originally Posted by dudeimoncoke

Just play the sims. How about that? No need for new emotes or stupid in-game weddings

Ow! We have a winner here.
What a nice way to show us your intelligence.
Seriously, are we offending you in any way?
Don't like the idea? Don't sign, there's no need to flame.

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Enjoy your nuptuals, I'm sure they will remain strong and healthy with or without a GW kiss emote!

Thanks, we will and we're sure about that to.
A kiss emote would be nice tough

On another note,
The wedding and party will be in our given language. (wich is dutch)
And it will be witnessed by guild/alliance mates and other ingame friends.
Small and cosy is the way to go.
Sorry

Oh and anyone who might want to have a word with us (good ideas are more than welcome)
Just whisp "Jondalar Crumbl".

If you haven't got anything positive to say, don't bother me with it.
My ignore list could get full pretty fast.

Again, thanks to all who wish to support us.

Furor Flamma · Jun 19, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

that is such a good idea the need the following emotes
/kiss
/hug
/makeout
/partner dance
and of course hold hand with (char name)
lol that would be so awsome o and can i plz be invited to the wedding

Angel Develin · Jun 19, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

IMO ingame wedding is just sick, whay would you do such thing?
you want more from this game, so just ask for an option that is of any use and not something like this, what's the use of it??
I'm not saying what ppl should do or not or how to play the game but this is guild "WARS", you know? fighting /killing/spit on corpse and move to the next walking dead man!!!

IMO Anet must come with lots of update and fixes before even thinking about something like this, and I hope they never think about an ingame wedding, it's just a waste of time.

Jondalar Crumbl3 · Jun 20, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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IMO ingame wedding is just sick, whay would you do such thing?

First off, it's not sick in any way.
Second, to answer the "why?" question:
-It's fun
-I like her, she likes me, it's a nice way of expressing our feelings.

Don't take it way to seriously, because we don't.

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I'm not saying what ppl should do or not or how to play the game but this is guild "WARS", you know? fighting /killing/spit on corpse and move to the next walking dead man!!!

Having an arguement with yourself there?
We do fight and kill and we do all the stuff the game was designed for.
But does that mean we can't have a little extra?
Does that mean we can't rp a wedding?
Are we bothering you with it? Are we offending you?
I think not.

The game has all the necesairy facilities to make it happen.
All we are asking for is a kiss and/or hug emote.
If they won't implement it, its ok.
We'll do fine without.
If they do, that would be great.
Then we would be able to do our thing the way we want it.
It's not all selfish to, I think many player would like to have a kiss emote.
And even players who don't would end up having fun with it imo.

And it's not that we are asking for wedding ring items, a house, a cruise for our honeymoon, ...
I don't think that we are asking for much here.

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IMO Anet must come with lots of update and fixes before even thinking about something like this, and I hope they never think about an ingame wedding, it's just a waste of time.

Point of view my friend... point of view.

Even so, I think even you can agree with the fact that GuildWars wouldn't be worse with some more RP elements.
I could be wrong, maybe you're one of those "I-need-to-complete-this-and-carry-on-to-the-next-mission-asap" guys.
Wich is fine btw, you have your way, other players have their way of playing GW.
But don't call players who don't play Gw your way 'sick'.
That's just narrowminded.
Rly.

Does-it-Matter · Jun 20, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

To walk the middle ground here...

Alright, what needs to be observed is perspectives.

There are a LOT of people out there who hear "role-play" and they think BDSM or other ways related to sex. This is primarily the reason I don't tell every person I meet on the street that I'm an RPer, because I get more "Is he saying he does stuff with leather masks and his girlfriend..." type comments.

Those of us who role-play (pen&paper, video games, etc) know what WE mean when we say role-play. And even when people agree on what RP is, there's still condemnation on it (devil worship, anyone?)

Similarly the same sentiment can be seen to video games.

Alright, we all know how there is a large public "uh...?" reaction to online dating, regardless of how we (as readers of this post) might feel about it. Now in the last five years or so there its moved more mainstream (judging by the commercials I see at least). Still, it has its negative connotation.

You're "weird," "sick" or simply "incapable of finding a real girlfriend/boyfriend." Those are real views, and many of them are strongly backed.

It's easy to denounce a culture before you've explored it. Also, a lot of the culture represents "change" or at least a division from what's "normal." Both things that human beings as a whole react negatively towards.

I try and be very accepting of people and their views, but I'll freely admit, when I heard "A wedding on GW" I went "uh..?"

Part of that was because I thought it was a "real" wedding, and the rest is just ingrained cultural views.

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Now you might look at this wedding and go "OMG its sick!"

You might look at it and go, "it's not sick, you're an idiot."

Both views are realistic, but they're going to get us no where. We're all entilted to our opinion, but in a forum, you need to support it.

Want to call it sick? Let's see something to back that up, statistics, data, polls... Don't just start throwing insults.

The same goes for the otherside. Want to defend your culture/viewpoint? Let's see something material, otherwise, you're no better than the ones calling you sick.

Bone Jangle · Jun 20, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05

I'm not sure I'd support a hug or kiss emote, simply because of the problems that might arise from it. If it were like any other emote, people would most likely run around spamming it (as in, male characters spamming it on any and all female characters in a town), which would certainly be annoying (especially if your one of those female characters!). If it were like the trade system, the same problem might happen. I wouldn't want to get all kinds of kiss or hug requests from complete strangers (not like I really need to worry about that

).

Having said that, congrats on the wedding! I always like seeing these kinds of things happening. It adds a bit of variety to your day.

I never could understand why people are so adamantly opposed to things like this. I mean, chances are, if you hadn't stumbled across this thread, you would have never known about the event. Complain all you want, but the fact of the matter is, this isn't going to affect you in the slightest unless you actually attend.

Terra Xin · Jun 20, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by Angel Develin

IMO ingame wedding is just sick, whay would you do such thing?
you want more from this game, so just ask for an option that is of any use and not something like this, what's the use of it??
I'm not saying what ppl should do or not or how to play the game but this is guild "WARS", you know? fighting /killing/spit on corpse and move to the next walking dead man!!!

IMO Anet must come with lots of update and fixes before even thinking about something like this, and I hope they never think about an ingame wedding, it's just a waste of time.

I'm an idiot, i should have said long ago that people never read...

http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php
http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php
http://www.guildwars.com/events/inga...ingintyria.php

READ!!

Mesmers... always underapreciated we are...

Mr Wolfmaster · Jun 20, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

/signed

Ok first of all: Rock on RPers! RPers get made fun of all the time and it's annoying. I love RPing, although I would never really go as far as a wedding myself. (Although my mesmer has had to fight the ladies off with his cane several times

) Sounds good to me all the way. Also I don't think people should make fun of you, thats lame! Come on guys, it's just a forum and I think if someone has something negitive to say it should be said in a way not to be offensive. (To all the immature people) If you ever have to say something negitive on a forum, try being polite and respective. You'll find most of the time people listen to you MORE because you present something negitive but in a nice way. Although if your immature you most likely stopped reading at "Of first of all"

P.S. I'd like to come with my mesmer, but I'm sure you have plently of people begging to come as is, so if I don't get invited It's alright. Still my ingame name should be right over there under my avatar if you needed more guests

The milk shake · Jun 20, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

lolz, sounds very *interesting*, they should just add a chapel in cities for this kinda stuff

Ellador Nae · Jun 20, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by Jondalar Crumbl3

We do not stop in the middle of a quest to have a romantic moment
Nor do we say our kind words in local ^^
Don't worry, we do not annoy other players with our business.

No worries, I wasn't suggesting that you were, merely speaking in general and so had to include the lame "disclaimer".

There are some darn funny posts here, like the one on presenting material evidence on why an in-game wedding is or is not sick - LOL! What, like, charts?

Should we do research on whether any other RP action is sick as well? And RP -> BDSM? Haahahaha! Lovely!

Thank you for that little gem. I never get that reaction from people here... pitty

I also see a few immature posts and 'arguments' close to "Eating mayo with pancakes is just sick, why would you do such a thing? I'm not saying what ppl should eat or not, but mayo was not meant to go with pancakes, you know? - I'm sorry if I offend you but this is just sick and wrong. Keep your nasty eating habits away from my table and eat food like normal people."

Yeah, such good argumentation really makes me want to reconsider my position.

And how dare you speak like you know these people? They might be happily married with 2.4 adorable children, good jobs, and bundles of friends - the fact that they want to marry their vid game chars says absolutely nothing about them (except that they know what RPing is all about... BDSM

).
It's the characters getting married in-game, not the players (even if they might be a couple in RL). Perhaps your own mes/ele/etc just hasn't met the right war/ran/etc yet

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

if GW doesn't evolve it will die
i think it's of vital importance that any game with longevity evolve

Here here!

And it really doesn't matter if the game was meant to be RP or not. IMO whoever plays it is a part of it and should be heard.
Also, I don't see how adding additional (RP) content would take anything away from the game, if done properly (meaning technical issues). PvPers would still PvP and PvEers PvE, just as before.

I don't think Anet will change anything tho. Upkeeping a game is a lot of work and I doubt emotes/chapels are high on their list, lol.

Slainster · Jun 20, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

/signed.. when I first I first bought GW, and read about the in game wedding, I thought it was really cool. So why not let other people do it too.

Lady Lozza · Jun 20, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

Well said, Ellador!

/clap

/signed for weddings and rp enhancements.
/unsure about emotes. Hug would be great, I think kiss might be too easily abused...

scrinner · Jun 20, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

I got a question.. your both marrying in Real life and in game?

erick5876 · Jun 20, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

Does-it-Matter: Point.
That is the best explanation of the differences between decision making in scripted games, and real role-play I've ever heard. But what about the people that come up with a background story for thier character, and try to make decisions, or act (mostly in speach & emotes, but also in some actions) according to what they feel that character would do? For example, a RP party goes on a mission, and try to work together while remaining in-character? Is that merely socializing? They are taking on a role, and playing it. (Although they may not play it to the fullest extent, ie: your ecto-for an apple warrior.) Guild Wars doesn't provide the personality stats, allowing you to come up with such things on your own. I'm not saying everyone does this, but it can be done. I'm not arguing the fact that GW isn't designed for such mental or social challenges to the character (they are pre-scripted, like you said), but the potential is there.

I'd still like to see the emotes added. :P I don't think it would be too big a thing to add in as an added bonus to a critical update. As you said,

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"having fun" or "goofying around."

is just that: having fun.

Myria · Jun 20, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

If Anet adds a /kiss, /hug, or what have you emote, they will lose players -- including me. I've already had friends quit the game because of the rude and childish behavior that is invariably the norm in towns, and I can't blame them. They and I put up with enough boorish behavior in real life, why tolerate some (emotionally, if not chronologically) twelve year old boy trying to simulate a sex act with your avatar every time you sit down? Add more personal emotes than already exist and... Well I shudder to think of the 'creative' uses they will be put to.

If someone wants to get "married" in-game, fine, whatever, enjoy, but please do so without trying to further ruin the game for the rest of us.

benmanhaha · Jun 20, 2006, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Myria

If Anet adds a /kiss, /hug, or what have you emote, they will lose players -- including me. I've already had friends quit the game because of the rude and childish behavior that is invariably the norm in towns, and I can't blame them. They and I put up with enough boorish behavior in real life, why tolerate some (emotionally, if not chronologically) twelve year old boy trying to simulate a sex act with your avatar every time you sit down? Add more personal emotes than already exist and... Well I shudder to think of the 'creative' uses they will be put to.

If someone wants to get "married" in-game, fine, whatever, enjoy, but please do so without trying to further ruin the game for the rest of us.

Listen, I can understand your distaste for some of the things idiots do in-game, I'll admit it can be annoying at times, but if that is the sole reason your friends quit the game, well thats pretty sad. Its part of any game(well most), and you're just going to have to live with it. I also highly doubt Anet will lose any players over this, the people will just come on this site and complain about it until Anet fixes it. And its been stated already, that Anet would have to find a new way to implement this, such as having the command come from both parties before it would work.